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nice through the defense. he always makes the underhand lay-up shots. the celtics up three. this time, no come back from the mavs. boston goes on to win 117-115. celtics improve to 12-9 on the season. this one is good. the jazz at home facing the spurs. clock running down. mo williams. he throws it up. deep. good. the jazz pull off the upset. last second three pointer and win 99-96. williams had missed all three of his prior threes in the game. but he comes through with a game winn winner. coming up, a tense phone call between the president and speaker boehner has washington insiders doubting an end to the fiduciary fiasco. when we come back here, we'll huddle around the water cooler. music industry's biggest stars come together for a hurricane sandy benefit concert including a special tribute by a can't miss classic adam sandler. all of the night's best moments straight ahead. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we pu
nice through the defense. he always makes the underhand lay-up shots. the celtics up three. this time, no come back from the mavs. boston goes on to win 117-115. celtics improve to 12-9 on the season. this one is good. the jazz at home facing the spurs. clock running down. mo williams. he throws it up. deep. good. the jazz pull off the upset. last second three pointer and win 99-96. williams had missed all three of his prior threes in the game. but he comes through with a game winn winner....
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joining me is former defense secretary william cohen, thanks so much for joining us. >> good to be this you. >> russia sounded a few different signals this week. putin in turkey, making some suggestions perhaps they would not be sticking with assad as strongly as they have been in the past. then this is the first time that foreign minister met with hillary clinton on assad, met with the u.n. mediator and we're being cautioned this is no break through but there will be follow-up meeting. seems some u.s. officials russia is hedging its bets or beginning to see a future without assad. >> i think that's the case. we've talked about this before, but there is a russian card to be played, to be played by russia itself. they have influence with president assad, they have interests in syria, and i think that they can see the handwriting on the wall that assad is eventually going to go, whether it's in the near term, long term, eventually he's going. you can see the shift in momentum as far as the rebels now starting to gain much greater military success than they have in the past. they've been w
joining me is former defense secretary william cohen, thanks so much for joining us. >> good to be this you. >> russia sounded a few different signals this week. putin in turkey, making some suggestions perhaps they would not be sticking with assad as strongly as they have been in the past. then this is the first time that foreign minister met with hillary clinton on assad, met with the u.n. mediator and we're being cautioned this is no break through but there will be follow-up...
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. >>> fiscal cliff, the thing we are trying to avoid, had $1.2 trillion in cuts but half are to defense. this has $1.2 trillion in cuts but they're just saying make the whole thing cuts to entitlements in domestic spending and not cut defense at all? trying to entice the democrats saying, i don't want you to fall off this cliff so why don't you voluntarily jump off this steeper cliff but don't worry, your fall will be cushioned by lava. >> that is jon stewart's take on the gop's fiscal cliff offer. he's right. we are better off stumbling down the slope like drunken fools than the republican offer out there. here to explain that and why a huge part of the talks making major changes to medicare may be totally unnecessary is jonathan cohn and joins us now. jon, i think that's a good place to start is this. itç seems like all of the discussions about medicare, in relation to the fiscal cliff or in general seems to have an ajumpgs a assumption it's a big program and in dire need for cutting and reform but there's a basic myth at work there of the efficiency of medicare. >> yeah. medicare i
. >>> fiscal cliff, the thing we are trying to avoid, had $1.2 trillion in cuts but half are to defense. this has $1.2 trillion in cuts but they're just saying make the whole thing cuts to entitlements in domestic spending and not cut defense at all? trying to entice the democrats saying, i don't want you to fall off this cliff so why don't you voluntarily jump off this steeper cliff but don't worry, your fall will be cushioned by lava. >> that is jon stewart's take on the gop's...
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that those defenses from within are weakening. >> mike, the president and speaker boehner apparently did have a telephone conversation last night. are we inching closer to a deal or is that too much of a grown-up christmas wish? >> it's really impossible to say. i think most people in this town would say if it were up to john boehner, he would cut the deal. there are a lot of indications of softening of positions from within republican ranks. i myself am not entirely convinced. i thin there are going to be a lot of hard core bitter enders, if you like, who are not going to vote for a tax increase under any circumstances within the house gop conference, and it could be a very ugly fight within the gop. so the fact that neither side is telling us anything, jay carney today 23r from the podium would not characterize it other than to confirm it took place. kind of ironic, people were taking that as a positive sign. >> mike viqueira delivering depressing news with a smile on his face. thank you, sir. stay with us. the day's "top lines" are coming up. [ male announcer ] it's that time of y
that those defenses from within are weakening. >> mike, the president and speaker boehner apparently did have a telephone conversation last night. are we inching closer to a deal or is that too much of a grown-up christmas wish? >> it's really impossible to say. i think most people in this town would say if it were up to john boehner, he would cut the deal. there are a lot of indications of softening of positions from within republican ranks. i myself am not entirely convinced. i...
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as widely expected they agreed to take up a challenge to the federal defense of marriage act, which is the federal law that says the federal government cannot recognize same-sex marriages even in the states where they're legal. but and i think this is the surprising part the justices also aagreed to take up a challenge to california's proposition 8, which could either be a very narrow decision about california only or the justices could take up the basic question about whether states can deny same sex couples the ability to get married. these cases won't be argued until probably march, but i think it's very surprising. this is a huge action by the supreme court today wading fully into the issue of same-sex marriage. so it's going to mean that this will be an absolute blockbuster term. >> pete, can you talk a little bit about what it means to take two cases in this way at the same time? we know from the aca decision that justice roberts cares deeply about his legacy and the legacy of the court. how do we read that into this discussion? is he going to want to be part of a decision stripp
as widely expected they agreed to take up a challenge to the federal defense of marriage act, which is the federal law that says the federal government cannot recognize same-sex marriages even in the states where they're legal. but and i think this is the surprising part the justices also aagreed to take up a challenge to california's proposition 8, which could either be a very narrow decision about california only or the justices could take up the basic question about whether states can deny...
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neither proposal specifically includes defense cuts. in fact, both sides have gone out of their way to say they shouldn't happen. but if there's no deal, they may happen anyway. in today's "deep dive" how the sequester could impact our military, our economy, and our safety. the budget control act calls for about a trillion dollars in automatic cuts to begin in january if laes no deal. half would come from domestic spending. we'll dig deeper into that. today spes cifically about the half that comes from security and defense. the cuts on that side amount to $492 billion over the next ten years but they aren't across the board. the president has promised to exempt military personnel and veterans affairs. let me start this here. here is the $492. that, by the way, this $492 billion is on top of another $450 billion cuts the d.o.d. was planning to make to cut waste and trim unnecessary programs. it's prompted mrenting of hand wringing on both sides. >> we can't afford another $500 billion in cuts in our defense budget on top of the $500 bill
neither proposal specifically includes defense cuts. in fact, both sides have gone out of their way to say they shouldn't happen. but if there's no deal, they may happen anyway. in today's "deep dive" how the sequester could impact our military, our economy, and our safety. the budget control act calls for about a trillion dollars in automatic cuts to begin in january if laes no deal. half would come from domestic spending. we'll dig deeper into that. today spes cifically about the...
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by the way, we haven't talked about the defense cuts that go into effect on january 1, which is truly massive. those have a negative effect on the sector exposed to it and jobs there. >> really quickly now. i love having you on because you have the ability to simplify fairly complex questions. i'm going to give you one here. republicans generalliy argue tht raising taxes will hurt the economy. is there any clear indication there will be job losses if tax rates go up 2, 3 percentage points. >> no matter how editorials you read arguing that case, there's no clear-cut evidence there's any clear-cut connection between marginally higher rates or lower growth over the past 50, 60 years. >> the correlation is not definitive? >> yes. >> zachary, thank you so mesh. blake, always a pleasure. lori, thanks to you in d.c. as well. >>> coming up a deadly development in london after the prank phone call to the hospital where the duchess of cambridge was treated. the nurse initially duped by the hoax is found dead. new reaction from the palace next. plus, a new report reveals how much money was spent
by the way, we haven't talked about the defense cuts that go into effect on january 1, which is truly massive. those have a negative effect on the sector exposed to it and jobs there. >> really quickly now. i love having you on because you have the ability to simplify fairly complex questions. i'm going to give you one here. republicans generalliy argue tht raising taxes will hurt the economy. is there any clear indication there will be job losses if tax rates go up 2, 3 percentage...
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war savings is not a defense country. spending an enormous amount of money on defense, the largest chunk of our budget. if we continue down this road of pretending, democrats and republican does it pretend we are not going to reduce the defense budget, i don't know how we are going to achieve this miraculous spending restraint and balance we need. >> chris, thank you vet. shira, a great pleasure having you on, my first time with you on news nation. a pleasure to see you, michael. see you tomorrow. >> thank you. >>> digging deep near our new nbc news poll, we will tell you the top three words americans used to describe republicans and not one of them is grand, old or party. >>> plus, secretary of state hillary clinton is expected on capitol hill in exactly one week to testify about a report on benghazi and what went wrong there. it comes as her approval rating hits an all-time high but will she make another run for the white house? >> i really don't believe that that's something i will do again. what i want to do is just k
war savings is not a defense country. spending an enormous amount of money on defense, the largest chunk of our budget. if we continue down this road of pretending, democrats and republican does it pretend we are not going to reduce the defense budget, i don't know how we are going to achieve this miraculous spending restraint and balance we need. >> chris, thank you vet. shira, a great pleasure having you on, my first time with you on news nation. a pleasure to see you, michael. see you...
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the first seeks to strike down the federal government's defense of marriage act, known as doma. the second involves a challenge to california's proposition 8, a voter-approved ballot initiative that outlawed same-sex marriage. a federal appeals court struck down the law earlier this year. the court's decision to weigh in on marriage equality came as same-sex couples began marrying in washington state yesterday. on election day voters there and in maryland and in maine made history when they became the first states to approve same-sex marriage at the ballot box. joining us now to discuss is steve, chair of the gay and lesbian victory fund. great to have you. >> nice to be here, alex. s. >> so a lot of tea leaf read and arm chair prognostication around this. i am by no means a supreme court expert, but when i saw that they were taking up both doma and prop 8, question as to whether they would take up inform i them at all, it seemed to me a signal that the court was ready to make a big decision, and i just cannot imagine, especially when you have conservatives like john roberts, wh
the first seeks to strike down the federal government's defense of marriage act, known as doma. the second involves a challenge to california's proposition 8, a voter-approved ballot initiative that outlawed same-sex marriage. a federal appeals court struck down the law earlier this year. the court's decision to weigh in on marriage equality came as same-sex couples began marrying in washington state yesterday. on election day voters there and in maryland and in maine made history when they...
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does he really want to take all those cuts in domestic and defense spending? aren't there some things he really thinks will hurt the economy over which he's the steward right now? does he want a second depression? no. a second recession. >> it will hurt the economy. i agree entirely. i think the short-term pressure is much more on john boehner, that he has -- if we go to the first of the year and taxes have gone up on everybody, i think that people will largely blame the republicans for that, as think should. having said that though, the longer this goes on, the more likely it is that it puts the economy in a second recession, and heaven knows that's the last thing that obama wants. so the pressure on obama may not be immediate, but it is there. let's remember, by the way, chris, i think it's always important to remind people, your viewers, what we're talking about here. if we all end up diving off this fiscal cliff, it doesn't make the deficit worse. it makes the deficit better. it would go a long way toward curing the deficit, but the deficit isn't the immed
does he really want to take all those cuts in domestic and defense spending? aren't there some things he really thinks will hurt the economy over which he's the steward right now? does he want a second depression? no. a second recession. >> it will hurt the economy. i agree entirely. i think the short-term pressure is much more on john boehner, that he has -- if we go to the first of the year and taxes have gone up on everybody, i think that people will largely blame the republicans for...
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justices agreed to hear arguments about proposition 8 and the defense of marriage act. proposition 8 is the 2008 ballot measure that made same-sex marriage illegal in the state of california. residents voted 52-48 to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry. the 9th court of appeals struck down proposition 8 on the basis it stripped individuals of rights previously granted when same-sex marriages were permitted in the state. opponents of same-sex marriage appealed the ruling to the supreme court which will now review the decision. the court will also take up the defensive marriage act case which challenges a section of the law that defines marriage as between a man and a woman for the purposes of receiving federal benefits. this mean the highest court now has the opportunity to rule on whether gay americans have the same constitutional right to marry as heterosexual americans. the court's decision to hear these cases comes as a series of election victories for same-sex marriage. last month washington, maine, maryland became the first states to approve same-sex m
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and the latest on the showdown in syria and defense secretary leon panetta's warning for president assad with former ambassador nick burns. male announcer ] jill and her mouth have lived a great life. but she has some dental issues she's not happy about. so i introduced jill to crest pro-health for life. selected for people over 50. pro-health for life is a toothpaste that defends against tender, inflamed gums, sensitivity and weak enamel. conditions people over 50 experience. crest pro-health for life. so jill can keep living the good life. crest. life opens up when you do. [ tylenol bottle ] me too! and nasal congestion. [ tissue box ] he said nasal congestion. yeah...i heard him. [ female announcer ] tylenol® cold multi-symptom nighttime relieves nasal congestion. nyquil® cold and flu doesn't. [ "the odd couple" theme playing ] humans. even when we cross our "t"s and dot our "i"s, we still run into problems -- mainly other humans. at liberty mutual insurance, we understand. that's why our auto policies come with accident forgiveness if you qualify, where your rates won't go up due t
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here's defense secretary leon panetta. >> the fact that they've launched this missile is clear provocation. we've warned them not to do it. one of the reasons we're real balancing the pacific is to deal with the threat from north korea. and we will. we're prepared to do that. we'll respond if we have to. >> breaking news out of afghanistan where leon panetta had been visiting. a car bomb went off just hours after he left. officials say the secretary was never in danger. >> jerry brown is fighting cancer. it's the second time since returning to office and the third time since 2008. his office said the 74-year-old is undergoing radio therapy for early stage prostate cancer but said he won't miss work. he was treated for skin cancer in 2008 and 2011. >> last night's 121212 concert raised $30 million for victims of hurricane sandy. it included springsteen and bon jovi, alycia keys, the rolling stones, the who and paul mccartney. here's a little taste of another legend, billy joel. ♪ got washed away, jamaica bay and sent manhattan out to sea ♪ ♪ ♪ >> some of us couldn't go to the show s
here's defense secretary leon panetta. >> the fact that they've launched this missile is clear provocation. we've warned them not to do it. one of the reasons we're real balancing the pacific is to deal with the threat from north korea. and we will. we're prepared to do that. we'll respond if we have to. >> breaking news out of afghanistan where leon panetta had been visiting. a car bomb went off just hours after he left. officials say the secretary was never in danger. >>...
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but he also cut defense spending over $250 billion over 10 years. and he has said recently, one of the reasons they lost the house in 1994 was that '93 deal. but here, where is the action, bob? >> well, having tried to do some reporting on this, first of all, i think the staff, the white house staff and the house staff, have met or talked five times. it really is down to obama and boehner at the table. i think you can only take a snapshot right now and try to look at what the experience the president has had recently. he won re-election. he's had lots of ceos in to meet with him. and this is interesting. they are telling him, mostly republicans, let's give on rates. it's not a big deal. i think the house leadership may have lost the parade that is supposed to be following them on that. i think lots of republicans feel that that can be done. and then the ceos are worried to death about another debt ceiling fight like in 2011. >> julianna, you asked the question with the president, when do you and boehner get into a room and? and he basically said, we
but he also cut defense spending over $250 billion over 10 years. and he has said recently, one of the reasons they lost the house in 1994 was that '93 deal. but here, where is the action, bob? >> well, having tried to do some reporting on this, first of all, i think the staff, the white house staff and the house staff, have met or talked five times. it really is down to obama and boehner at the table. i think you can only take a snapshot right now and try to look at what the experience...
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the defense cuts are devastating, they shouldn't happen, and by the way, they'll be a domestic cuts of comparable quality. actually that's really the republican leverage in the debate, not the tax issue but the spending cuts if we dealt with the tax cuts for 98%, spending cuts would still be there, still have the leverage we need. but look, probably the white house is being prudent. but this is serious. there's a strong disagreement but in the end the two sides have been able to negotiate in the past, speaker boehner's very good negotiator, negotiating the extension of the bush tax cuts two years ago, budget deal in 2011, debt ceiling deal in august of 2011, all those things have led to prosperity or -- faster growth and less spending. i think we should continue to work with him. let's take the american people out of the line of fire, particularly that 9 %. >> -- 98 %. >> quickly, congressman the president said today he will not play the debt ceiling game again, not permit another false crisis that could really trigger an economic downturn. >> he's the president, not the emperor. he do
the defense cuts are devastating, they shouldn't happen, and by the way, they'll be a domestic cuts of comparable quality. actually that's really the republican leverage in the debate, not the tax issue but the spending cuts if we dealt with the tax cuts for 98%, spending cuts would still be there, still have the leverage we need. but look, probably the white house is being prudent. but this is serious. there's a strong disagreement but in the end the two sides have been able to negotiate in...
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both secretary of state hillary clinton and defense secretary leon panetta issued more stern warnings to syria today after nbc confirmed syria has loaded chemicals for deadly gas into bombs. >> the whole world is watching. the whole world is watching very closely. >> secretary clinton, in fact, just wrapped up an important meeting in russia, syria's strongest ally. "time" magazine's jim frederick will join us live about the latest developments. we know president obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone last night, talked a lot about that even though we don't know what they discussed. the first read team says a fiscal cliff deal is in sight. what do they think the big deal will be? join our conversation on twitter. find us at @tamronhall a and @newsnation. [ male announcer ] at scottrade, you won't just find us online, you'll also find us in person, with dedicated support teams at over 500 branches nationwide. so when you call or visit, you can ask for a name you know. because personal service starts with a real person. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the star
both secretary of state hillary clinton and defense secretary leon panetta issued more stern warnings to syria today after nbc confirmed syria has loaded chemicals for deadly gas into bombs. >> the whole world is watching. the whole world is watching very closely. >> secretary clinton, in fact, just wrapped up an important meeting in russia, syria's strongest ally. "time" magazine's jim frederick will join us live about the latest developments. we know president obama and...
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but the court also said it would hear a challenge to the defense of marriage act, a 1996 law passed under president clinton that defined marriage between a man and a woman for the purposes of federal law. the question is why now? why did the supreme court choose this moment? nine states and washington, d.c. all recognize same-sex marriage now. that doesn't seem like very many but it's happening quickly. three of those states people voted to legal marriage in november. maryland, maine, washington. first time ever done so. there's a big public opinion trend here. since '04, "the washington post" abc news polls have been asking people should it be legal or illegal for gay and lesbian couples to get married? in 2004, 59% of people said they thought it should be against the law. in 2012 it was almost the opposite. 53% favor making it legal. pew has been asking the question since 1996. when 65% of people were against same-sex marriage. by october of this year, 49% were for marriage equality while 40% opposed it. one more set of numbers. gallup released its own polling on same-sex marriage this
but the court also said it would hear a challenge to the defense of marriage act, a 1996 law passed under president clinton that defined marriage between a man and a woman for the purposes of federal law. the question is why now? why did the supreme court choose this moment? nine states and washington, d.c. all recognize same-sex marriage now. that doesn't seem like very many but it's happening quickly. three of those states people voted to legal marriage in november. maryland, maine,...
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long fight, and we'll see who comes out in the end, but it's bad news for the unions to have to be on defense this way when they're already having so many other challenges. >> we should bring up the dynamics in michigan that are different. snyder had said all along he was not going to do this, and then to do -- you know, and whereas in wisconsin people thought, well, maybe recalling. they were more sort of divided about whether or not the recall was the right answer to what had happened. i think that's going to be a much easier message to push in michigan, and then you have two things. labor is fully ready to be there as long as they need to be there. they've got their same apparatus and ground game that they had from the elections still in place, so i don't think they're going anywhere, and they'll be looking at measures or ways that they can bring a citizens sort of protest to this and see if they can find a way to repeal it. >> getting past the unions, which was key in wisconsin, they lost in wisconsin wishes but when you get your neighbors out, you get the people who like the nurses and t
long fight, and we'll see who comes out in the end, but it's bad news for the unions to have to be on defense this way when they're already having so many other challenges. >> we should bring up the dynamics in michigan that are different. snyder had said all along he was not going to do this, and then to do -- you know, and whereas in wisconsin people thought, well, maybe recalling. they were more sort of divided about whether or not the recall was the right answer to what had happened....
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you've seen a vigorous defense of her by the president and second clinton. i think they're right to do that. >> ambassador nicholas burns, thank you. >>> deal or no deal? two veterans of congress take us behind the scenes of the budget negotiations next on "andrea mitchell reports." ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios tend to weigh less than those who don't. sfx- "sounds of african drum and flute" look who's back. again? it's embarrassing it's embarrassing! we can see you carl. we can totally see you. come on you're better than this...all that prowling around. yeah, you're the king of the jungle. have you thought about going vegan carl? hahaha!! you know folks who save hundreds of dollars by switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than antelope with night-vision goggles. nice! get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. go
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one of the things in it that we haven't discussed is the $100 billion cuts in defense spending. itis important to mention. there are tax plans, the tax plan, the proposal to tax transactions on wall street would generate $350 billion, new revenue. this is the sort of conversation we need. >> i want to talk a little bit more about that and more about the idea of another debt ceiling show down which is possible here. we'll talk about that when we come back. maybe you want to incorporate a business. or protect your family with a will or living trust. and you'd like the help of an attorney. at legalzoom a legal plan attorney is available in most states with every personalized document to answer questions. get started at legalzoom.com today. and now you're protected. can i still ship a gift in time for christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express by december 22nd for christmas delivery. you won't just find us online, you'll also find us in person, with dedicated support teams at over 500 bran
one of the things in it that we haven't discussed is the $100 billion cuts in defense spending. itis important to mention. there are tax plans, the tax plan, the proposal to tax transactions on wall street would generate $350 billion, new revenue. this is the sort of conversation we need. >> i want to talk a little bit more about that and more about the idea of another debt ceiling show down which is possible here. we'll talk about that when we come back. maybe you want to incorporate a...
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. >> the defense of marriage act, defining marriage as the legal union of one man and one woman. the court also announced it will decide where the california's proposition 8, which bans same-sex marriage, is constitutional. voters in california passed prop 8 four years ago but since then two courts have said it is unconstitutional. american's views on this issue have shifted rapidly, to where the majority of americans now support same-sex marriage. the cases will be heard in march. a ruling is expected in june. these decisions will have you judge for fairness in this country. one reporter described this case as the roe versus wade of gay rights. we have three special guests tonight. joining me now is richard, a former white house advicer to former president clinton and equality matters, a guy rights advocacy rights group. dustin, activist and award-winning screenwriter of the movie "milk." he's helped to lead the charge to overturn proposition 8. and jonathan capehart, opinion writer for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor. let me thank you both for joining me tonight.
. >> the defense of marriage act, defining marriage as the legal union of one man and one woman. the court also announced it will decide where the california's proposition 8, which bans same-sex marriage, is constitutional. voters in california passed prop 8 four years ago but since then two courts have said it is unconstitutional. american's views on this issue have shifted rapidly, to where the majority of americans now support same-sex marriage. the cases will be heard in march. a...
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it's awfully hard to -- for her to mount a defense. >> hi, andrea. those of us who are also admirers of john kerry have a complex position, but i think they're goet both amazing american patriots and have done a great deal of good for the country. either one would be excellent. i guess the specific thing i would contribute today on this topic is to object to the argument that was made in the "new york times" op ed page this morning by an activist who suggested that susan rice has been too friendly to various african strongmen, and the op ed did not resonate very well with me at first, but i went in and did some more research to go through the les of the people that this author listed as people that rice had supported too much, and they happen to have run five of the dozen or 15 best countries in africa over the last decade in terms of their economic performance, and their internal stability. it doesn't mean that everything is perfect, obviously, and i'm sure ambassador rice wouldn't suggest that everything is perfect in countries like uganda, and rwa
it's awfully hard to -- for her to mount a defense. >> hi, andrea. those of us who are also admirers of john kerry have a complex position, but i think they're goet both amazing american patriots and have done a great deal of good for the country. either one would be excellent. i guess the specific thing i would contribute today on this topic is to object to the argument that was made in the "new york times" op ed page this morning by an activist who suggested that susan rice...
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. >> defense. >> defense. all of these things. >> which accounts for about a trillion dollars of the budget every year. we've got less than that. >> of course, the long-term struggle is with entitlements. i think that's one of the greatest differences where we cut with republicans. i know we have to cut from entitlements because that's what bankrupts us. i know we have to cut from defense. but i'm concerned about r&d. i'm concerned about transportation. i'm concerned about education. i'm concerned about cutting in all of these areas that make china -- give china a bigger advantage as we move forward that give our global competitors a bigger advantage. that's what really concerns me. >> two quick observations. if you're in business and you're told we've got to make changes at our budget and you look at 6%, 15% of your budget, 9% of your budget, you've got to make cuts, you look at the 60% first and say where can we make manufacture she's cuts. talk about not endangering our ability to compete and win going forw
. >> defense. >> defense. all of these things. >> which accounts for about a trillion dollars of the budget every year. we've got less than that. >> of course, the long-term struggle is with entitlements. i think that's one of the greatest differences where we cut with republicans. i know we have to cut from entitlements because that's what bankrupts us. i know we have to cut from defense. but i'm concerned about r&d. i'm concerned about transportation. i'm concerned...
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a mixed message when we come >>> in our last hour, we spoke about the defense of marriage act and the importance of good allies for those seeking marriage equality. allies are important. but at times the ways in which an ally chooses to support a cause can overshadow the very issue. there's timothy can you remember i can, a young christian who sought to bring attention to the church's views on homosexuality and chose do that by living as a homosexual man for a year. who can forget super model tyra banks head turning experiment of wearing a fat suit to bring attention to the negative treatment aimed at people who are obese. starting this past tuesday, newark new jersey mayor, cory booker started living on a food budget of $30 a week or $4.32 a day which is equal to the people in snap receive. his aim? for people to care about food justice for all. while each experiment were noble attempts to bring attention to issues, they also run the risk of appearing unauthentic. not a long-term reality. the reality that -- pretending to understand one another's experience, one striving to be an all
a mixed message when we come >>> in our last hour, we spoke about the defense of marriage act and the importance of good allies for those seeking marriage equality. allies are important. but at times the ways in which an ally chooses to support a cause can overshadow the very issue. there's timothy can you remember i can, a young christian who sought to bring attention to the church's views on homosexuality and chose do that by living as a homosexual man for a year. who can forget...
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now defense cuts. more and more republicans are saying that they're willing to talk about it. >> good. >> saying it junt cuts their credibility on other spending issues. >> good. >> it's the pentagon. >> there is so much waste in the pentagon. it's one of the few bureaucracies you can't audit. it is impossible. whether you're talking to peter peterson, dave walker, they tell you, you can't audit the pentagon. it is impossible. >> and yet there are some republicans you say who are willing to go out on a ledge and say it's time to look at this. and what are the costs of doing that politically? >> well, they are, and part of it is the changing times. it's not the cold war anymore. it's these younger members who are coming up. also to be consistent, you have members saying why are we opposing the sequester? why are we panicked that these spending cuts might take place? this is what we want. so that's another fight that's in the conference. are they going to be totally consistent on spending, or are they go
now defense cuts. more and more republicans are saying that they're willing to talk about it. >> good. >> saying it junt cuts their credibility on other spending issues. >> good. >> it's the pentagon. >> there is so much waste in the pentagon. it's one of the few bureaucracies you can't audit. it is impossible. whether you're talking to peter peterson, dave walker, they tell you, you can't audit the pentagon. it is impossible. >> and yet there are some...
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as we talk about these two cases in question, we've got doma, the defense of marriage act as well as proposition 8 to consider. if we first talk about doma, if it is struck down, what does that mean nationally? >> well, it means only that if you live in a state that permits same-sex marriage and you are in a same-sex marriage, that the federal government will recognize your marriage. doma does not require states to do anything. it doesn't require anybody to do anything. but right now it prevents the federal government from granting recognition to same-sex marriages like, for instance, in new york. if that is struck down, the people who are married in states that allow it will get full federal recognition. >> which is over more than 1,000 federal benefits that go along with that. >> it's very important. it would be very significant. >> jonathan, we talk about prop 8 in california. if that is struck down, does that mean marriage equality then for all intents and purposes is legal in all states? does what happens in california then change the relevance for 49 other states? >> well, this
as we talk about these two cases in question, we've got doma, the defense of marriage act as well as proposition 8 to consider. if we first talk about doma, if it is struck down, what does that mean nationally? >> well, it means only that if you live in a state that permits same-sex marriage and you are in a same-sex marriage, that the federal government will recognize your marriage. doma does not require states to do anything. it doesn't require anybody to do anything. but right now it...
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he cut defense way back. i think the president could do a little bit more to attract some people over to his side if he did that. but i'm just struck by the fact that we've got this completely outside game. >> right. >> there's not a lot going on on the inside in terms of real negotiation. but we'll get there. >> and steve, this is a point we brought up last hour. you know, everybody is debating over raising top rates for people making $250,000 or more. you look -- tom's talking about $88 trillion. you look at the small percentage, these tax increases as part of the bigger problem, and you realize that we're not even having a serious discussion right now. we're obsessed on something that's not going to save us. >> well, that's true. first, with respect to what david said, i think partly why they're playing an outside game is because they've been criticized in the past of playing too much of an inside game. the president's criticized himself for not taking his message outside, telling his story. secondly, i do
he cut defense way back. i think the president could do a little bit more to attract some people over to his side if he did that. but i'm just struck by the fact that we've got this completely outside game. >> right. >> there's not a lot going on on the inside in terms of real negotiation. but we'll get there. >> and steve, this is a point we brought up last hour. you know, everybody is debating over raising top rates for people making $250,000 or more. you look -- tom's...
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then the so-called defensive marriage act that passed in 1996. when you cite those polls, what's so interesting to me is that this first burst on the national scene in 1996 popped up in conservative research when they were running out of issues and they suddenly went, my god, eureka. this gay marriage issue. this is an amazing weapon to use. the american public does not favor it and it can be used politically. karl rove called it the gift that keeps on giving. for many years, it did. one thing the conservatives did not count on are two things. one, most families have a gay son or daughter they love or a cousin or uncle they cherish. the other thing, thomas, is at the end of the day, they didn't anticipate that conservatives themselves would come to see this as a conservative issue. >> sure, it's a traditional value. >> absolutely. >> when you have vehicle dick cheney who has a daughter who wanted to get married and start a family. just not from individuals on the right. we have seen elizabeth now. we have nine states in washington d.c. area havin
then the so-called defensive marriage act that passed in 1996. when you cite those polls, what's so interesting to me is that this first burst on the national scene in 1996 popped up in conservative research when they were running out of issues and they suddenly went, my god, eureka. this gay marriage issue. this is an amazing weapon to use. the american public does not favor it and it can be used politically. karl rove called it the gift that keeps on giving. for many years, it did. one thing...
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that means everything, outside of defense, outside of medicare, outside of medicaid, outside of social security. that's about 85% of the budget. >> and we just made some pretty deep cuts last summer. >> right. so when you have a party saying we're going to balance the budget by going after education, transportation, r&d, i mean, energy, you're basically going after your seed corn while china is doubling on education. china is doubling down on r&d. china is doubling down on energy research. we can't do that for economic reasons. >> right. >> i like winning. >> budget is about policy, and it creates your priorities. >> the other thing is, there is a big issue -- big economic issue beyond jobs and beyond the deficits. and that is how do we create an economy in which the middle class is growing, in which people work hard and can get ahead? and all the things that you mentioned are important to that task. so we can't give up on that. >> two other points also. if by going after discretionary -- that's just another form of kicking the can down the road. you know, if you're not going to invest
that means everything, outside of defense, outside of medicare, outside of medicaid, outside of social security. that's about 85% of the budget. >> and we just made some pretty deep cuts last summer. >> right. so when you have a party saying we're going to balance the budget by going after education, transportation, r&d, i mean, energy, you're basically going after your seed corn while china is doubling on education. china is doubling down on r&d. china is doubling down on...
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what do you do with defense spending? what do you do with nondefense spending? >> and something needs to be done with all three things that you just mentioned, correct? >> yes. >> something really significant, correct? >> but it doesn't mean take medicare, it doesn't mean raising the medicare age. >> why not? >> because i'll tell you, i was in yun in youngstown a year or so ago. a woman who had no insurance said to me, she said -- she was 63 years old -- she just said i just need to live a year and a half more so i can get on medicare and get health insurance. >> right. so maybe the age doesn't raise for her, but what about for others? why can't you guys come up with a framework that works now? >> means testing. there's this whole view that 70-year-olds -- >> we're not saying that. >> no, but somewhere it was social security at 70, 67, now you raise it another year. people that work in a diner, people that are on their feet all day long in retail or construction or manufacturing, you know, all of us can work till we're 70, perhaps, god willing. >> so means testi
what do you do with defense spending? what do you do with nondefense spending? >> and something needs to be done with all three things that you just mentioned, correct? >> yes. >> something really significant, correct? >> but it doesn't mean take medicare, it doesn't mean raising the medicare age. >> why not? >> because i'll tell you, i was in yun in youngstown a year or so ago. a woman who had no insurance said to me, she said -- she was 63 years old -- she...
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. >> and he's defensive about it. and he's stubborn about it. there's something much deeper going on. he understands football, rex ryan, so he knows objectively that mark sanchez is not getting the job done and hasn't for the last couple of years. so it defies credibility that you wouldn't at least give another guy a shot. or when you did give another guy a shot in greg mcelroy, he won the game for you, so maybe give him a shot this week. >> i can understand saying tim tebow's not the quarterback that i want to go with, but you had mcelroy who played on a national championship team, he grew up with his father being a coach for the dallas cowboys. he gets it. he came in off the bench last week, won the game, and you're not dressing him the next week? it's like rex ryan wants to be fired. >> it's selfish also because you have to say as a coach, i want to give these other guys a chance to win. and we'll start mark, but we're going to go with the guy that can help win this game because everybody's practicing hard and we want to win which makes it ev
. >> and he's defensive about it. and he's stubborn about it. there's something much deeper going on. he understands football, rex ryan, so he knows objectively that mark sanchez is not getting the job done and hasn't for the last couple of years. so it defies credibility that you wouldn't at least give another guy a shot. or when you did give another guy a shot in greg mcelroy, he won the game for you, so maybe give him a shot this week. >> i can understand saying tim tebow's not...